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Join Date: Sep 2007
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To heal or not to heel
Dear Bentinho,
Remember healing is a gift of the Divine and that it is not you who heal. You are only the channel or conduit. The moment you start to think I do this and I do that, it is ego and bound for a fall. People also end up with you because it is the Divine Will who directed them to you and who are you to question if you may heal or not, if the Divine afforded you with this gift and opportunity to serve, isn't that what the Christ came to teach us? To serve our brotherman no matter what. This reminds me of the story of the good Samaritan, he didn't worry about karma when he helped the man next to the oad, he just helped and trust that God will do the rest in healing the wounded man. I will relate my own story. Years ago I did Reiki Masters and became quite an accomplished healer and you can imagined how my ego grew as my confidence grew. Anyway after a few months the gift was taken away very abruptly, one morning the guide who helped me and indicated to me what to do and where to do things was not there anymore. What a lesson I can tell you that. Today, God still uses me, but according to His Will and healing is only done, when indicated that i may serve as the channel. Therefore always ask for Divine guidance and trust the the Divine is using you and remain a humble servant ready to serve. Hope this will help.
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 96
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I agree with tubeseeker.
We are not healing, but healing happens sometimes through us. It is like beeing a channel for the devine the universal or whatever we will call it. We are not the healer, but the man who delivers the mail of healing for the universe. Isn`t that wonderfull. All the best Lars |
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Thanks for all your input, happy to see so much wise words.
@Tubeseeker and Pandara: Thanks for your reflection, but eh, I was speaking hypothetically. Maybe that did not come accros very well, but I did not mean I as in me, I meant I in general. As in: "Imagine if I would do this or do that, would it not cause this or that?" I was role playing, asking questions, playing the hypothesis. If you wish, you can re-read my post with this perspective. I realize it is not me that heals, that was not my point. I have gotten some great answers from you guys, but still none of you really answered and shared on what I meant exactly, I must have been unclear. My point is, that even though I am not the one who heals, it remains a choice that we have. The way I heal (Now I am talking about me) is that if someone crosses my path on life, and I feel that I can help that person relief their pain in one way or another. This ranges from emotional/personal coaching, to healing through the use of ntention and attention. Energetic healing so to say. My concern lies primarily with the latest form. Coaching let people see how they caused their suffering. The latter form of healing often doesn't, it just takes the pain away. So what would yuo do? Whether it is god or you doing the healing, it remains a choice, therefore we can think about it. Thanks for all, Bentinho
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 679
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The problem is genuine, and often we are left unceirtain.
Anthony De Mello (jesuit psychologist, spiritual helper -India) had the same dilemma. As a psychologist, he's task was to help and alleviate any psychic stress ... but he confessed that as a spiritual mentor, he was sad as he knew that this way they'll never learn the only real illness: attachment to the illusory objects of their thought. This way, medicine, theraphy, healing and spiritual evolution seem antagonists. But in reality it is simple. If we can help alleviate any pain and suffering, we have do it by all means. I am sure the care and grace shown is just as good a guru as the suffering. Last edited by Hubert; 11-24-2007 at 05:58 AM. |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 107
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I think I do understand Bentinho’s question.
The problem is - this question has to be understood in the mind but the answer lies in the heart. When sufficient “head of spiritual steam” is built up one can "feel" that we are ALL pilgrims & what ever little we can do to alleviate the pain of your fellow travellers is a blessing. Is capitulation necessary for end of suffering? I don’t think so! |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 477
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Free Will or Choice
Dear Bentinho,
To answer your orignal question, we have very little choice or free will for that matter, you do not choose to heal or anything, things happen as it should, all is as God wills it. So if a person lands in front of you, you do not have much of a choice, you will react and perform according to the karma between you and this person, whatever that may be. This person didn't just happen to cross your path as well, it was so determined by your karma before you reincarnated.
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 422
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Maybe the answer was in my second response to you and you are the one not hearing, I dont know. Your clarifications that you have done on this thread have not added to my understanding of the original question because I saw the original question as complete with plenty of information. Do you want a map, walk five paces here, six paces there, turn south for three paces, do two hops and a jump? You have asked for guidance on this question and that is ok.
a little story a man was once an apprentice of carpentry, he followed his teacher, observed his teacher and in the later stages did the work for his teacher. at the end of the apprenticeship the apprentice did the work without his teacher saying a word, but only observing. The teacher then said, "I am going away and while I am gone I would like you to do some work". The teacher came back some time later and nothing was done. THe apprentice said to the teacher, "I needed your guidance", the teacher became upset and said "for what, I have not spoken a word of how to do these things for months" trust yourself B. take care seeker
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 204
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It takes two for tango :-)
Hi Bentinho,
I'm reading a book written by a Slovenian healer who works with a different alternative methodes over 15 years. He said that his development was gradual. From a beginner's enthusiasm when he believed that healer can heal only with regulating the chakras, taking away harmful and suplying useful energy until he sober up and realized that if we don't find the reason / cause and if the person don't cooperate in a healing process, everything is useless and pointless. Health is not only the absence of the illness but a higher state of a dynamic balance, phisical, emotional, psychological and spiritual. He wrote that nobody can help anybody if the person is not ready and doesn't ask for. Energy healing is similar than the medical help. It helps to balance the energy and improves health but only if we find the reasons, we understand them and we decide to change something. Otherwise the illness come back, maybe even with a different symptoms. He advice not to be deluded with a temporary better state of health and the absence of the pain. So probably wouldn't be most ethical if a healer let a person believe that he/she can get miracly cured by the energy healing only. |
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 72
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Thanks for all your views. Good to see the courage in some.
B.
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 679
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It seems that I have been wrong. (bah, not the first time)
Chakras "When a person with mastery over the muladhara sees that someone has a particular disease, he has to know whether that individual deserves the disease or whether it is the result of a hostile attack. If he has done something wrong, naturally under the law of karma he deserves to pay the penalty. But if the disease is not from the law of karma but rather from the attack of some hostile force, and if it is God’s Will that his disease should be cured, then naturally a spiritual person who has the capacity should cure it. But if he does it at his own sweet will, or if he acts in an undivine way and just shows off, then he breaks the cosmic law. He will cure the person, but this very cure will act eventually against both the healer and the sick person. It will add to their ignorant and self-destructive quality. So the healer has to know if it is the Will of God that the person be cured. Only then will he cure; otherwise he has to remain silent and do nothing. You may ask, how can he see somebody else suffering and still do nothing? If his heart is very big, let him go deep within and see who it is that is suffering in and through the individual. He will see that it is God who is purposely having a special experience in and through that person." /Sri Chinmoy
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