Mind Portal and Dharma Flower

[Jozen-Bo]

Hello,
My name is Jozen-Bo. I have been doing Yoga Tantra off and on for over 10 years. I am in the act of getting more consistent about it and thought that joining this forum would be a good place to learn and express my experiences. The energy here feels vibrant.

I sorta discovered a strange mantra that appears as a calendar. As one meditates and acts, these actions can be described and recorded into a pattern on the mantra calendar. I have giving it two names, one is the Mind Portal and the other is the Dharma Flower. I bring it up because it is a spiral mantra and when a life pattern is scribed into it and spun it creates powerful meditative effects. Yoga seems to enhance it tremendously, the two work so well together. After using it I can see prana all about me. My senses have changed and I am reaching out to learn and share what I have learned. I am both excited and nervous to present this discovery to these forums.

Tam Tam Tuminata
Jozen-Bo

[Jozen-Bo]

I started to look around here a little and WOW!!! What a wonderful site! I feel a sudden inspiration to immediately get back on track with my path. And I just took a glance. Something about the energy!!! Thank You for being here. Love and Light,Jozen

[Jozen-Bo]

Hello,I am sorry I let so much time slip by. I have so many things going on it is sometimes difficult to juggle my time. I didn't realize the link I provided doesn't work, so I will provide some images directly here. I will start with 2 and give a breif explanation of each. I will then provide a basic explanation of what the Mind Portal is! I will be very happy to receive any feedback, insights, or questions. Let us begin!!!
The Image above shows me standing next to the Mind Portal and holding it up agianst the wall, at its full size. I am blacked out, as I choose at this time not to reveal myself. The Calendar has 364 day spaces for recording whatever one feels.

This picture is of the first Evolution of the Code structure I used to track down my life. I can read this as a time map, just as one can read words or other sorts of maps. By now, I am in the process of completing my second Evolution of code. I will explain more about the code in a bit!
I will be back shortly (I have been giving some work I must do) to provide an introductary explanation as to what the Mind Portal is and how it works! Thanks! Kindest Regards, Jozen-Bo

[Jozen-Bo]

In La' Kech

I am back...this time with more time! I will try to give an introduction now as to what the Mind Portal is...and more importantly...why is it on this Yoga Forum!!!

"What is this?
A calendar, map, attractor, portal, tunnel, rift, compass, game, ledger, reflection, space, spiral, sign, movement, gateway, journey, time 'machine', memory, guide, path, door, year, projection, paradigm, adventure, discovery, creation, act, art, key, myth, quest, bridge, potential, tool, canvas, picture, extension, immortal trace, trip, pulse, breach, amplifier, image, vision, sequence, idea, testimony, language, power, and phenomena are just a few ways to identify this ‘calendar’."

So...now I will go over this a little more, the following is an introduction I began in another forum, please note that I said some things I regret and have a tendency to make big mistakes. I have omitted the very beginning, because when I did it I wasn't quite myself. I made an error of saying that it is more powerful then Yoga, this I regret...one reason is that the Mind Portal is a type of Yoga, emerging in this confused era when the world needs it most.

When one works with this and enters into it (which is hard to describe), Yoga becomes a very important part of remaining grounded. If one is not grounded they will not be able to access its (their own) inner regions in the way this Portal makes possible. Thus, I immediately tied the value of Yoga into my first public statement...which is posted in the SciForums.

I will be attaching myself to no more then 13 forums, and using my energies to bring a convergence unto them. I am choosing them with care, and I feel this is one of the right places for my growth and connection. It has much to do with how my mind functions, which consists of 13 major self Identifications. They are:1-Religious, 2-Marriage, 3-Relations, 4-Work, 5-Business, 6-Art, 7-Exercise, 8-Music, 9-Cleaning, 10-Writing, 11-Cooking, 12-Study, 13-Playing. Yoga and meditation are contained within each of these 13 IDs, it is a way of life and the bonding essence.

I promised myself I wouldn't bring this out like this, I don't know what happened. I am not claiming to be a master (well sometimes, when I am being foolish), I am a child and I am prone to childish behaviors, you might notice playing is one of the 13 major roles of my self evaluation. I want to be here and will not hesitate to humble myself before those who are here. My acts are of love.

So...here is a piece of my initial opening statement:
(please understand I am prone to make mistakes)

WHAT IS THE MIND PORTAL???

"What does it do? I will condense what I can into an answer. It amplifies the senses...causing them to function better then before. It brings about revolution by revolving. It opens access to all places. It speeds up human evolution tremendously more then anything else. It is the exponential curve of awareness. It is a ultimate dream machine...as with it one can build a virtual reality in their minds more real then Star Trek's holodeck and more real then what we think we see is real. Do you want a map of your mind? Here is the means!!!! See yourself and be aware!!!

How does it works? It is a spiral calendar canvas that puts one entire earth rotation into one page. The days are blank. They must be filled with a code of meaning...the symbols used must have associative value or they will not tap the deeper regions of the mind at all. Because we define the code...we give it meaning and thus we can read it. Otherwise it is merely a neat pattern. As the code fills the days in time a new pattern emerges...the pattern of the life of the observer!!! Then, take this calendar (which is 3 feet in circumference) and spin it. Wallah!!! Now you are seeing a time tunnel...a real time tunnel because it is filled with memory and that expands perception.

It gets deeper then that though, as the eyes devour the spiral light, the energy moves through the mind and the entire body, settling into the quantaum vortexes within matter and there altering their pattern...waking them up!!! There is a process of physics at work in the psychological and physiological make-up of the life.

I will describe it also as such: imagine waves of light of they enter the eye in a spin. Within this whirlwind of light are symbols that communicate the feelings and deeds of the Traveler. They zip through the nervous system, through every cell in the body and the pattern which is doing this is the fundamental pattern of creation...the Attractor. The energy of our matter bodies becomes sychronized and the dormant powers we possess active!!! Imagine the energy as it moves though the body, after entering through the eyes! Consider for yourself what is really going on. Where does it go? I will illuminate this process more in the future!

Welcome to the Mind Portal!!!
It is a gift, it is free, it is yours if you ask for it! I will not delay in mailing the PDF and manual to any who ask. No charge!!! (something this good can only be free) If your are ready for it then you will ask for it. If not, no worry. Why would I do this?

Because at this time I am the only Insider on Earth who is inside it! No one can speak sensibly to me of the experience because I am the first to be there. I am the only 'expert' (I am not really an 'expert, I just know more then anyone who hasn't been there) at this moment...you cannot explain this from the outside...nor understand it if you are not in it!!! And because I am there I know what I am to do...so I'm doing it!!!
I am not a messiah...not a saint...not a master....or anything special. I am a sincere Hue-man Be-ing who desires our survival and transcension!

To the doubters, please keep any negative statements to yourself, as this is a place for those who are interested, and as sour remarks will invite intense misfortune to your homes! To the curious, you are wise and I appraise you!!!
I will answer any questions about the Mind Portal asked as best as I can...
Once again...here is the thread for the Mind Portal...if you ask for it, it is yours for free!!! Let us then open the this thread and bring about fruitful dialogue! May your lives be productive and blessed with Light!!!

With Love and Respect,
Jozen-Bo"


Yeah...that was what I wrote...I got carried away. Its too late to go back on those words, what was said was said. I meant most of it, but I see where I would easily appear in a way I would normally avoid. I hope those who have read this will be patient with me and consider that there is a kid with an imagination running a little wild...I say little...because much of what I have spoken I have personally verified for myself to be true (much..not all).

I am well aware that I need help and guidance. Especially when I consider all the mistakes I make. I don't know how to sum up my circumstances, I am entangled deeply in an existence I myself cannot fully fathom.

Perhaps now one might understand why I am a little nervous. I keep making mistakes. Such is life. That set aside, I will provide the link to the other forum where a thread 5 pages long has grown based on this Mind Portal. It provides much information quickly, as to rewrite all of it seems time consuming and I am sorta tip toeing here. Feel free to copy and paste any points from there you might have questions on.

This thread cannot continue much beyond this point without questions, comments, criticisms, inquiries, or otherwise further dialogue from someone other then myself. I welcome anything anyone cares to say or ask.

With Love,
Jozen-Bo

The 5-page thread in the SciForums can be found here:
The Mind Portal!!! - SciForums.com

[Pandara]

Dear Jozen-Bo,

You say that you are into tantra yoga, word of advice be careful where you cast your pearls, the internet might be very muddy.

Question: Wouldn't kriya yoga also exchieve what you describe? - "It speeds up human evolution tremendously more then anything else." And Kriya yoga is so much simpler.

Jozen-Bo, to be honest this sounds a bit like a hairy theory/idea/invention of someone to me, I am not yet convinced that it can actually help one and I must say I struggle to see the place and participation of yoga in it. Perhaps I am missing the point somewhere, perhaps you can enlighten us more, this is a Yoga Forum, it is about yoga and most of the people here are serious about their yoga, but this just doesn't seem like yoga to me in any form.

Further I am reading too much attachment to the physical plane in this whole thing, something I personally trying to detach from.

Hope I don't offend, but I have to be honest. With great love and respect for where you are.

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by Pandara

Dear Jozen-Bo,

You say that you are into tantra yoga, word of advice be careful where you cast your pearls, the internet might be very muddy.

Congratulations!!! You are the first to respond Pandara...asking questions about this is not an easy thing to do!!! Could you elaborate on this comment a little...I don't quite understand what you mean by it?

Originally Posted by Pandara

Question: Wouldn't kriya yoga also exchieve what you describe? - "It speeds up human evolution tremendously more then anything else." And Kriya yoga is so much simpler.

I should of clarified earlier, I practice Kriya Tantra Yoga, it is incredible!!! Yes, it speeds up human evolution tremendously. So does the Mind Portal. The two become power functions when done together, amplifying each others effects beyond description.

I will tell a little story. When in the past I did Kriya Tantra Yoga I got incredible benefits. I felt things I never felt before, my mind cleared and my body flowed. I even began to see auras and tuned into settle things too numerous to describe.

When I started with the Dharma Flower Calender Portal I had different experiences equally intense. I began to see over 50 types of energy, not just auras. I began to have dreams of ever increasing clarity. However, I became confused by all the changes happening so suddenly.

So many new things where rushing through my head I could barely keep up. The sun began to communicate with me...It goes on and on like this. There are far too many things to describe without taking much time. I have my work cut out for me just listing the waves and waves of experience that quickly unfolded during this time!

I had stopped with my Kriya Meditations for some time, then I resumed. This time I did them and recorded them into the Calendar. I can see them every time I look at it. That combination of Kriya Tantric Yoga and the Mind Portal opened and unfolded phenomenal experience as power functions. The Portal amped the Yoga and the Yoga amped the Portal.

I began seeing other Universes parallel to this one, different times...past, present, and future. I could feel prana like never before and gained control of it faster then before. And then...the Goddess Kali spoke to me. She said one word and with it she said everything. The vibration of her voice still rings through me like a gong.

The world turned gray for roughly two weeks thereafter. Her voice alone is the most beautiful sound I have ever heard, more powerful then anything I can imagine. When a God or Goddess speaks to you directly, there is no way you can't know it!

This incredible experience came about from doing the Kriya Energization (as in step 1) only 3 times!!! If I resume my Kriya Tantra Yoga and get my code back on track I can progress with fathomless speed.

Originally Posted by Pandara

Jozen-Bo, to be honest this sounds a bit like a hairy theory/idea/invention of someone to me, I am not yet convinced that it can actually help one and I must say I struggle to see the place and participation of yoga in it. Perhaps I am missing the point somewhere, perhaps you can enlighten us more, this is a Yoga Forum, it is about yoga and most of the people here are serious about their yoga, but this just doesn't seem like yoga to me in any form.

I say I invented this, or I say I discovered it. But really, who invents a flower? This doesn't belong to me more then it does anyone. I am merely unfolding, it is my nature to be as I am.

It can help one, but you have to do it to find out for yourself, I can't do it for you. If you think you can figure this thing out without giving it a try, you will never know what it really is. Its like a virgin, who watches two people making love and then says "Oh...now I know all about sex!", though the virgin remains a virgin. This is one of the best metaphors I can think of.

I am happy that you are struggling to see its place, this is not easy to understand. Be patient with yourself...do not jump to any conclusions, take as much time as you feel like taking. In the meantime I will try to bring clarity as best as I can. This is a Mantra!!! I will try to elaborate in the next few paragraphs.

Originally Posted by Pandara

Further I am reading too much attachment to the physical plane in this whole thing, something I personally trying to detach from.

Could you specify where you sense attachment? Which words lead you to feel as though I am attached? I ask...because I live without any attachments at all, they have all been severed...right down to the last. Still, I often appear attached. I act.

Originally Posted by Pandara

Hope I don't offend, but I have to be honest. With great love and respect for where you are.

I am honored...not offended!!! Honesty is a virtue. It is good that you are honest. I appreciate your responce and honesty...THANK YOU!!!


I will now elaborate by quoting a manual I wrote several years ago:
11. "11 Yantras
The geometrical form of a hexagon is correspondent to the heart chakra, Anahata. Here, we see the well-known Star of David, also known as the Vishnu Yantra, in a spiral format. In it is the hexagon. The Star of David has significant meaning in tantra; it represents the union of male and female, of Shakti and Shiva, of mind and body.



The next Yantra example is an altered version of the crown chakra mandala symbol, which is used to unite the positive and negative energy flows. This altered mandala activates the crown chakra. Activating the crown chakra will cause a psycho-luminescence in one’s head.



As you meditate on this symbol, you may visualize it becoming a tunnel and you may even catch a glimpse of silvery or reddish lights winding around the middle. If this wheel is spun, the effects become much more dramatic and intense. There are exercises that aid having these experiences and utilize methods of absorbing such vision into energy for the mind and body. The book Jewel in the Lotus, by Sunyata Saraswati and Bodhi Avinasha provides a great source for finding such exercises.

The aim of tantra kriya yoga is to expand consciousness and experience the Divine Current of life. They use different approaches to awaking the kundalini, and vitalize the seven chakras. Doing this not only brings good health, better sex, and a clearer mind; it also brings unique and precious experiences, allowing one to verify and witness for one’s self the divinity of life and the divine. Another great book I recommend in this area is Autobiography of a Yogi, by Paramahansa Yogananda, which provides a great deal of information about Yoga in general.
A Yantra is a visual manifestation of a mantra and a mantra is a transcendent sound resonating in the body. Here, the example has been used to introduce a new method of visualization and meditation, working with a tantric kriya yoga path to higher consciousness. Tantric Kriya Yoga and Kriya Yoga are forms of Yoga that include primarily Asanas (postures that purify the physical body), Pranayamas (breathing techniques to expand consciousness), Dhyana (meditation to attune one’s self to the Divine Current), Mantras, Yantras, Mudras (gestures to activate currents in the body), Bandhas (energy locks that conserve and move pranic energy), and Maithuna (Tantric sexual union)."

I haven't had the chance to study as much as I'd like, because my study is spread out over a very broad spectrum of materials. I have spent my life paying close attention to the signs of the universe, they come in many ways. Often times I seem to be provided with the right material at the right time.

I am as trusting as they get. I have studied almost anything you can imagine; science, religion, music, philosophy, art, history, etc. These groups break down into subgroups, for example: Physics, biology, chemistry, etc. The price I paid was that I never mastered anything. Instead the knowledge converged.

When things converge they whirl into a spiral...for example, water draining in a tub. Chakras look like spirals, there are patterns of Attraction all throughout nature, time itself is an attraction. This calendar is the converging point of all ideas.

It is as much a means to amplify Yoga as it is to amplify math or art. It amplifies anything one so desires to excel in. So, I am presenting this on many different levels, approaching people in different ways. The important part is that the idea sinks in over time, not that it is immediately accepted.

On the 87th page of the book: Jewel in the Lotus, there is a picture of a Mantra much like the one above. The difference is that the one above is curved into a spiral and watching it spin, you can literally consume the light with your eyes; spinning the spiral aids in the delivery of the energy. In several of the books I have there is much talk of the value of mantras in yoga, why would a mantra time map be any different?

I hope this helps a little! It will not be easy to get the idea across, and there is so much undiscussed material and so much to discover. Alone I cannot succeed in getting this understood, nor can I ever truly understand it if I am left alone in my pursuit of such understanding. I have seen far too much to ever go back. This is real, it does something that is real, I believe humanity should understand what that is!

[Pandara]

Dear Jozen-Bo,

Thanks for the elaborate reply, I take note, though I am not prepared to try it as it is not the place where I AM on the Path. With respect.

About tantra - if you really grasp tantra you will have ears to hear and eyes to see my exact message to you. Sorry I cannot say more than this.

About attachment - read your 13 major identifications carefully, if you still feel there is no sense of attachment in that, then I am a blind man.

Just a personal observation, I think these forums (I have searched you on other forums as well and they were not very kind to you) are not 100% the right podium for you to spread your message, words are dangerous and can be construed to mean something very different. Perhaps you must try to create a small personal group of like-minded and interested people, experiment, make your observations and put your research in a logical and structured way in a book. That might serve you and your idea perhaps much better.

Good luck on your Path.

[Hubert]

Interesting. I will give some attention to this as soon I am able.
I try to be open to everything, and even things do not work as they supposed to, I often find shards what in time can be united into a bigger picture.

For those who are well on their path in a school, this might be a distraction, for those still seeking it might prove an interesting piece of the puzzle. For some it might even work ...
Later, and thanks.

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by Pandara

Dear Jozen-Bo,
About tantra - if you really grasp tantra you will have ears to hear and eyes to see my exact message to you. Sorry I cannot say more than this.

About attachment - read your 13 major identifications carefully, if you still feel there is no sense of attachment in that, then I am a blind man.

Hello Pandara,
Isn't freedom truly wonderful?

About tantra - I am still learning. I have had wonderful experiences and I am going to continue with it. Perhaps I do not grasp your message, oh well. It would appear that you as well do not grasp what I present and how it connects to tantra. Then we have something in common, don't we?

About attachment - You are entitled to your opinion, and I disagree with it.
1. I am religious and learn from all religions, which I consider to be truly one, does this make me attached?
2. I am married, I have a role as a husband and soon as a father, does this make me attached?
3. I have relations with friends, does this make me attached?
4. I work, does this make me attached?
5. I have to manage my money to pay bills, supports my wife, etc; does this make me attached?
6. I love art and spend time when I can making it, does this make me attached?
7. I exercise, doing both internal (tantra yoga) and external (martial arts) forms of exercise and I enjoy the feeling of good health, does this make me attached?
8. I play musical instruments and listen to music, I enjoy immersing myself in sound, does this make me attached?
9. I do not want to live in filth, I clean my body and my home, does this make me attached?
10. I obviously write and so do you, does this make me attached?
11. I cook food, does this make me attached?
12. I study and learn and I hope for your sake that you do the same, does this make me attached?
13. I play and have fun, does this make me attached?

Now I ask you, if you do so much as one of these things on this list, does this make you attached?

Originally Posted by Pandara

Just a personal observation, I think these forums (I have searched you on other forums as well and they were not very kind to you) are not 100% the right podium for you to spread your message, words are dangerous and can be construed to mean something very different. Perhaps you must try to create a small personal group of like-minded and interested people, experiment, make your observations and put your research in a logical and structured way in a book. That might serve you and your idea perhaps much better.

Good luck on your Path.

I just read the rules of participation in this community. I will try my best to abide by them, I don't think it will be difficult because I reflect energy by means of osmosis. If I am elsewhere I tend to become like those I am around, though I do catch myself if it starts to go a little to far. When I am in the reality of this forum and presenting myself here, I become a part of it as it becomes a part of me.

I quote a statement from the rules:
"This is a community of individuals who share a common interest in Yoga."

Since I have a tremendous interest in Yoga, I think I am qualified to be here. No, this is not the only podium where I share the Mind Portal, as the Mind Portal is connected to many, many areas; including but not limited to art, science, psychology, physics, biology, pedagogy, business, and still much, much, much more.

My first landing was in the SciForums, it is a rough place where one is exposed to a great deal of harsh criticism. The perfect training ground for myself, as I am well aware of the difficulties that lie ahead of me. I am exposed to many hard words, and this is fortunate as it serves to make me stronger and better at communication. Fate landed me there first.

I came here second, my mind operated by numerical instinct. Kriya Tantra Yoga involves the fusion and balance of male and female energies...TWO become ONE!!! There is hidden meaning behind my being here second. It has much to do with the two primal energies of Universe.

I am aware of the dangers of words, it is difficult to make mistakes on time! It is also part of a plan that I am a mere fraction of. How can I go wrong then?

I am in the process of finding 'like-minded' people and at the same time exposing this to people who have never had the chance. Exposure is part of the reason I came to this world, it has nothing to do with force, nor am I here to tell others what to do. I LOVE FREEDOM!!! At the moment I have found only 2 other people on the entire planet who have spontaneously came up with the calendar in a similar fashion as this one. I am in the process of merging our resources, it is a matter of time.

I intent to do much of what you said, I have had these intentions for some time now. There are many experiments to perform, observations to make, and research to conduct and prepare in a logical and structured presentable manner of conveyance. I have already written a book and a manual, I released the manual and it sold out in the first year, I have yet to follow up on this. I am withholding the big book for the time being, it is too difficult and would only confuse others. When the time is right, I will refine it and release it as well.

When the world finally recognizes the value, potential, and power of this revolutionary 'time tracking system', throughout time hundreds of books will appear, written by many different people. More experiments will be conducted, producing more conclusive data. And as a result people will be drawn to the world of Yoga as never before, since the two (Mind Portal and Yoga) are really one!

Pandara,
I will never give up on you. I will remain forever open to the possibility that you may change your mind. I will send you love and be patient with you. I will learn what I can from you. I will be a friend to you. It matters not if you never participate, I pray that you travel the sacred path to its true resolution. Light and life is yours.

[moth]

...this is what scares me about yoga...

[Pandara]

Dear Jozen-Bo,

Thanks for the good prayers and thoughts, I appreciate them and the same from me, I shall bless your endeavour so that those who need it may find it and use it. And as you say this is the beauty about freedom (which is one of the main aims of yoga as well) that you can look at the great menu of life and see the many different dishes on it without fear, but that doesn't mean I have to taste each and every dish. When I was younger I did taste, I have established what I like and I belief when on a certain path one should stick to it, when you zig-zag from one path to the other, you actually hamper your own evolution. So I'll stick to mine for the time being.

On the attachment, I see your point and I respect that. As my own teacher said as yogis we need to learn to be in the world and not of the world. That is the challenge which will free us from attachment. Just my own personal view.

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by moth

...this is what scares me about yoga...

Could you maybe explain why this is scary? What exactly about this Mind Portal do you find frightening? Thanks, Jozen!

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by Hubert

Interesting. I will give some attention to this as soon I am able.
I try to be open to everything, and even things do not work as they supposed to, I often find shards what in time can be united into a bigger picture.

For those who are well on their path in a school, this might be a distraction, for those still seeking it might prove an interesting piece of the puzzle. For some it might even work ...
Later, and thanks.

I am glad you find this of interest and that you are open to it! I agree with what you say about shards uniting into a bigger picture. The Mind Portal exposed the whole picture, when all of its keys are activated! For those in the earlier years of school, what you are saying may very well apply. But university students would gain a great deal from this, it is a tool for learning. I will give an example...fill in a foreign alphabet into the calendar, put the calendar on a wheel, and spin the information into your mind! Math formula's could be memorized quicker and stick longer! Other potentials can as well be accessed once one knows how! Furthermore, the mind begins to operate quicker and with more clarity, this would make study much easier. Thanks for the input Hubert. I hope to hear form you soon!

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by Pandara

Dear Jozen-Bo,

Thanks for the good prayers and thoughts, I appreciate them and the same from me, I shall bless your endeavour so that those who need it may find it and use it. And as you say this is the beauty about freedom (which is one of the main aims of yoga as well) that you can look at the great menu of life and see the many different dishes on it without fear, but that doesn't mean I have to taste each and every dish. When I was younger I did taste, I have established what I like and I belief when on a certain path one should stick to it, when you zig-zag from one path to the other, you actually hamper your own evolution. So I'll stick to mine for the time being.

Hello Pandara,
Its been a while, I've been caught up and very busy. I would like to thank you for the warm response. I suppose it might appear that I intend to stick on this path as it were. I imagine it could be considered a path. Its not my intention to fill out maps for the rest of eternity, however, just to clear things a little. I am using it with knowledge that it dissolves eventually as the code changes its direction and expression. This is, perhaps, a very difficult thing to clear up, know that I think about it; the Mind itself is the Portal, this is merely a tool of the Mind. I am trying to figure out and understand it myself, certain thought patterns seem intuitive and irrational, while others are obvious or sought after and more rational. The idea is to get off the path by getting on it.

This brings me to a philosophical question I have often pondered. Some say it is the journey and not the destination that counts, while others are focused on the destination. The point of any path is to go somewhere. I am left considering if we just keep going for ever, does the path ever end? In part, this is why the Mind Portal was conjured into our awareness. I wanted to get a better idea of what these different paths are and see where they are going. I didn't just look into one path, I have been trying to incorporate every path, get inside that mindset of the path and understand it from within the experience of it.

If I had to answer this question myself right now I'd say that the path is not meant to be followed forever, it eventually serves its purpose. The destination is pathless, and yet being a destination, one can only reach it by path. What is the destination? I think we both know, so I won't say.

Originally Posted by Pandara

On the attachment, I see your point and I respect that. As my own teacher said as yogis we need to learn to be in the world and not of the world. That is the challenge which will free us from attachment. Just my own personal view.

I enjoy this! It is very succinct and insightful. Attachment is a bonding force, if we remain attached to anything at all then we are bound to the cycles of life and death. A baby is attached to its mother, and new spirits are attached to life and death itself. Just as the baby eventually must let go from the mother, so spirits let go of the cycles. This is obviously just my opinion, as I know many people who believe we are to reincarnate forever without end. Sure, but how do two conflicting views cease to contradict? I suspect the answer is in the meaning and potential of reincarnation itself.

Hope all is well for you and everyone else!

[Bridgette]

I feel a bit like a gold fish swimming in the ocean in this thread but it’s really fascinating!! I wish I could give constructive thoughts but as I have stated, this in unfamiliar territory for me however it has intrigued me enough to plunge into further contemplation. Thank you

[Pandara]

Originally Posted by Jozen-Bo

I suppose it might appear that I intend to stick on this path as it were. I imagine it could be considered a path.

Namaste Jozen-Bo,

I think it is good for you to do what you deem necessary and appropriate to do at the moment. Any path is always a road less travelled, it is always a journey towards a destination and I belief as with all awesome journeys they end up in an awesome destination, which is not necessarily the end, because we know there is a next town after what we perceive to be the end of our journey/destination, or we can simply follow the same path back. Point is as we progress on our paths we have greater responsibility in the co-creation of that path and how you achieve that, it is up to you. If you find it accessible through the work you do (the Mind Poartal), then so be it, it is for no one to say it is right or wrong, but it is for each one his/her responsibility to decide wether it is appropriate or not at this very moment of his/her life.

Originally Posted by Jozen-Bo

This brings me to a philosophical question I have often pondered. Some say it is the journey and not the destination that counts, while others are focused on the destination. The point of any path is to go somewhere. I am left considering if we just keep going for ever, does the path ever end? In part, this is why the Mind Portal was conjured into our awareness. I wanted to get a better idea of what these different paths are and see where they are going. I didn't just look into one path, I have been trying to incorporate every path, get inside that mindset of the path and understand it from within the experience of it.

It is neither the journey nor the destination that is important for me, but what I experience, what I learn, what I share and how I serve my fellow beings along the way. If your Mind Portal helps you to cultivate awareness by incorporating the many paths, then explore it and see what you experience, what can you learn and share, but most important how you can eventually serve your fellow human beings through this path you are exploring and creating. I think it is Sri Satya Sai Baba who said once service to man is service to God (this I say under correction as I can't remember who said it.)

Does the path ever ends? Does it really matter? What matters, is your awareness about/of the path, through your own awareness you add to the rich tapestry for the many who will follow or lead. For me there is neither a beginning nor an end, just a continuation and as you said yourself, it is a pathless road (excuse the contradiction here, but words fail me to explain it better.)

Originally Posted by Jozen-Bo

This is obviously just my opinion, as I know many people who believe we are to reincarnate forever without end. Sure, but how do two conflicting views cease to contradict? I suspect the answer is in the meaning and potential of reincarnation itself.

Many people say a lot of things and all things many people say are not always to be taken as absolute truth. Truth is subjective and as such always contradictory in nature, therefore my truth can't be yours just as yours can't be mine, but we can share and learn and then take and incorporate it into our own truth.

About reincarnation - I think the Divine has allowed it to be declared a heresy in Christianity by the Church and in the process the teaching was ommitted from Christain dogma and teaching, because the Divine knew too much has already being said about it and the Divine couldn't bear to hear the many views of the Christains on it as well.

As Tubeseeker always say - Enjoy the ride.

[Jozen-Bo]

I am just peaking my head in for now...I intend to be visiting here much more, I am going to be getting more involved with Yoga as I am going much deeper into the Mind Portal and find my desire to do Yoga increasing as I gather more charge...need to balance it...

I will be seeking help here...humbly...


Namaste,
Jozen-Bo

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by Pandara

... I think it is Sri Satya Sai Baba who said once service to man is service to God (this I say under correction as I can't remember who said it.)...

Namaste Pandara,



Babaji is Oldschool!!!