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Old 07-23-2009, 12:40 PM   #1
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Mutra (Urine) Neti

I was wondering if anybody in this forum practices mutra neti? Would be nice to hear your experience on how it feels, what benefits you got. What made you go for it?

Would also be nice to know more about this from members who know anything about this but have not tried themself. I just read this while I was exploring stuff on the net.

Mutra Neti makes me think it should be even more beneficial since it is natural. It is warm and it has salts just like Jal neti with salt. Please let me know what are your thoughts?
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Old 07-23-2009, 01:02 PM   #2
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I know it as swamootra neti. Have never tried it myself, think I am too much of a pissy to do it.

What I do want to add here and I think this is very important. During a yoga workshop a few years ago this neti was mentioned and the teacher said to us that if you want to do this neti, then you must be sure that you live a very clean and sattvic life. No unnatural products should be taken and all your food and drinks should be clean, organic and as fresh as possible to really reap the benefits of swamootra neti.
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Old 07-23-2009, 01:19 PM   #3
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I know it as swamootra neti. Have never tried it myself, think I am too much of a pissy to do it.

What I do want to add here and I think this is very important. During a yoga workshop a few years ago this neti was mentioned and the teacher said to us that if you want to do this neti, then you must be sure that you live a very clean and sattvic life. No unnatural products should be taken and all your food and drinks should be clean, organic and as fresh as possible to really reap the benefits of swamootra neti.
Thanks for your reply on this Pandara. Really helpful. I believe my diet is already very close to sattvic. But now since you mentioned this, I plan to document everything I eat so I can actually confirm it is sattvic.

I intend to try it out 1 of the weekends in next couple of weeks. I will surely post my experience here.
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Old 07-23-2009, 05:06 PM   #4
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How long does it take to get a human body to have sattvic outputs after starting a purely sattvic diet (this probably includes skin care products, no?) and following stringent tapas practices, etc?
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Wow. I did not even know this existed until just now.
Maybe, MAYBE, MAYBE, should there ever be some reason that this is indicated, and I have resigned myself to life at some Indian ashram and have purified myself to the simplest capacities necessary, I would do this.
Maybe.
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How long does it take to get a human body to have sattvic outputs after starting a purely sattvic diet (this probably includes skin care products, no?) and following stringent tapas practices, etc?
Good questions, perhaps someone might have some idea, personally I think I am still far from purified and sattvic, so for now I will happily go with that as this is a neti that I would not like to try! I'll use this as my excuse.
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I know very few people might have tried this and may not have much information I am looking for. But I have been talking to some people and doing some reading, using my head.

How important is it to have a complete 100% sattvic diet before you can try a mutra neti? Also are there any negative effects if this is tried without having a sattvic diet?
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How important is it to have a complete 100% sattvic diet before you can try a mutra neti? Also are there any negative effects if this is tried without having a sattvic diet?
Yalgaar,

Why don't you try and let us know. Apart from the very sketchy info I have received a few years ago from this visiting swami during the workshop, I can't give you more than that and I think very few of the other people here might be able to give you more as well. This is not a general practice, so info will be far and in between.
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Yalgaar,

Why don't you try and let us know. Apart from the very sketchy info I have received a few years ago from this visiting swami during the workshop, I can't give you more than that and I think very few of the other people here might be able to give you more as well. This is not a general practice, so info will be far and in between.
Liked mentioned before I will surely let evrybody know here my experience when I try it, which I intend to try very soon. Surely in next 2 weeks.

Still trying to gather all facts as much as I can before doing it.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:46 AM   #10
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Hey, have you seen your doctor about your wrist yet? Ask him/her about potential side effects.
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What exactly do you try to accomplish by it ?

When I first performed shank prakshalana to share an example, I was doing it because they said, it will be a huge relief, a great change and purification. I did it and I felt the same. I was having a very balanced and moderate diet back than and also young and impressionable.

So, while I respect and admire your dedication, I have to ask: why ?
I am really interested.
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A few thoughts:
- "Natural" doesn't always mean healthy. Arsenic & lead are natural substances.
- Our bodies have an elimination system for a reason - to eliminate substances that become toxic if retained.
- Healthy urine is sterile, however it is a great breeding ground for bacteria. Makes me think it would be a great culture for sinus infections.
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Hey, have you seen your doctor about your wrist yet? Ask him/her about potential side effects.
Not sure why you asked about my wrist in this thread. Would be nice to stick to topics related to the original thread.

But since you asked, I have not seen the doctor yet about my wrist. Hopefully I find time to schedule an appointment and see him. Since I have not been doing any asanas that are weight bearing on my wrists since almost a week now, my writs feel great already. I do not feel any pain at all. I am sure it will come back if I do those asanas again. Hopefully I find a good solution to this soon.
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What exactly do you try to accomplish by it ?

When I first performed shank prakshalana to share an example, I was doing it because they said, it will be a huge relief, a great change and purification. I did it and I felt the same. I was having a very balanced and moderate diet back than and also young and impressionable.

So, while I respect and admire your dedication, I have to ask: why ?
I am really interested.
Hubert,

Thanks for your post. I grew up hearing how great yoga is and all good things about yoga; how it could change your life; how it could keep you very healthy and happy. How it could work and also make you age much slower. Point is I grew up hearing great things about yoga. But I never actaully practiced it except maybe did very little of Shirshasana. But that was indeed not a serious intent. Also I also grea up thinking yoga was not for common people but more of people who are sadhus and sanyasis.

Later during my life I had many health problems, nothing serious but problems that were coming in my way to enjoy very fit healthy life style. My father actually introduced me to "Ramdevjis" yoga practice. He taught me all the asanas and pranayamas that are taught by Ramdevji. Once I started practicing it on and off, I started to get the first hand experience of all the benefits of yoga. I started to believe that what I have heard like million times as a growing kid is actually true and also realized that this is not only for sadhus and sanyasis but can be used by anybody and everybody who wants to live healthy. Well this was just the beginning.

I personally love gain knowledge, it could be any subject. Since this was very interesting and it also actually was helping me in my health problems, I got more and more passionate about this. Started to read as much as I can, gain more and more knowledge so I can practice this the right way. The more I understand and learn about yoga, the more I realize how much more there is to this. I have definitely changed my attitude to gain knowledge about yoga now. Since I have accepted that there is going to be no end of learning about this. It is going to be a journey.

Sorry about very long post to answer the very simple question you asked; but I really did not think there was anyway I could answer this right without all this background. So now coming to the original question which I believe will make more sense when I answer after providing my background and way of thinking; I wanted to try mura neti just becuase I want to learn and experience eveyrthing about yoga, or should I rather say as much as I can about yoga in this very short life we have. I know I know, life seems very very long; but to me there is so much knowledge and all that life overs, it is indeed very short. I want to try mutra neti just becuase something like this exist. Just becuase I read about the benefits it can provide. Just so that I can have a first hand experience of it. So I can share it with others as well.

I hope I was able to answer your question.
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A few thoughts:
- "Natural" doesn't always mean healthy. Arsenic & lead are natural substances.
- Our bodies have an elimination system for a reason - to eliminate substances that become toxic if retained.
- Healthy urine is sterile, however it is a great breeding ground for bacteria. Makes me think it would be a great culture for sinus infections.
I get the point. I agree with you.

But it has still been practiced for a reason.
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Old 07-28-2009, 04:39 PM   #16
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Just like I had mentioned, I have tried the "Mutra Neti" today. I am going to share my experience with you guys. I am sure many of you might find it amusing could have a good laugh, some of you might find it helpful if you plan to do it yourself as well.

Based on what I had read on how should one practice this, I attempted it to do it accordingly in the best way. Out of all that I had read about this practice, the most important ones that I believed were 1) Sattvic diet. 2) First Urine in the morning.

1) Sattvic Diet: I have not got enough time to read all about this and have a sattvic diet lifestyle either. But I believe since I am vegetarain that would make me quite sattvic if not 100%. I still want to mention that I do have onions and garlic in my diet sometimes which I have read are tamsic food. I do intend to be 100% sattvic at some point. Just not ready yet. So basically I did this without have a 100% sattvic diet.

2) First Urine the morning: This was not possible for me either. My nostrils are uually blocked when I wake up in the morning and so I am not ready for doing any "Neti" I usually do Neti after doing some asanas and pranayamas which opens up my nostril for a more comfortable Neti.

OK so here are the details:

I woke up today morning. Had 1 full glass of hot water; 1 of my daily routine. Used the bathroom. Lost the first urine since I am sure would not be a good idea to store it and use it.

Started doing my asanas. Felt the urge to pass urine. Was almost done doing the asanas. My nostrils were quite open now after my body getting warm after the asanas. Went to the bathroom. Filled the Neti pot close to 70% with urine. Started doing Neti on the first nostril. OMG. THIS WAS SO DISGUSTING. The smell, very little taste. There is no way I could describe how disgusting the feeling was. The thought of it right now gives me a feeling to puke. Finished half of the urine so and stopped so I could do the other nostril. Pushed out all urine out of noth nostril by exhaling. The smell was killing me. My god the thought of it right now while describing this is so disgusting. I am thinking about the smeel and the taste. Started doing it on the other nostril. MUCH MORE DISGUSTING. I was so determined that no matter what I am going to complete the pot; but then I felt NO WAY, I CAN"T do this. I did complete most of it; but finally STOPPED. CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!! Exhaled all urine out of both nostrils which was again smelly and taste was killing me.

LATER:
Once I was out of bathroom; I was just glad that this was over. I was glad that I completed something that I decided I will. But even after that when I would try to clear my throat or my nostrils, sinuses, I would feel the smeel and taste of urine which was disgusting. I had this smell and taste of it almost all day.


Conclusions:
The whole process of very disgusting becuase of the act itself, the smell and the taste. I do not think there were any side effects though. If I take away the disgust factor, I would say I did not find much difference between the salt water neti and mutra neti. Not sure what the long term experience would be once you practice it on regular basis. As far as I am concerned, this was too disgusting for me to do it again; definitely not soon Or maybe this is what I think today. Who know what I might do after a few days??
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:57 PM   #17
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Thanks for both sharings. You are a brave person. Your dedication is inspiring.
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Sorry -- what I meant was, "if you still have an appointment with an MD, you might use that opportunity to get info (albeit from a different perspective) on what to anticipate from this neti experiment"

Thank you so much for reporting. You have incredible resolve.
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Hi Yalgaar,

Thanks for sharing, I could feel your convulsions (repulsion) while reading!

On the other hand I trust that you have also learned that the first Yama, that of non-violence or ahimsa, applies to what you have done. In other words that we should at all times practice ahimsa not just towards others, but also towards ourselves and our bodies.
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Hi Yalgaar,

Thanks for sharing, I could feel your convulsions (repulsion) while reading!

On the other hand I trust that you have also learned that the first Yama, that of non-violence or ahimsa, applies to what you have done. In other words that we should at all times practice ahimsa not just towards others, but also towards ourselves and our bodies.
Hello Pandara, you are welcome. I am glad I could describe it in details.

I beg to differ on what you thought about my experience. I have read a lot about ahimsa. There is no way I interpret my act of trying "mutra neti" an act of ahimsa. I do agree that it was kinda extreme but I would also think there was not much of a difference between trying out "mutra neti" for the first time and doing some basic "asanas" the first time. I found both the experience a bit extreme in their own ways. To me it is all about getting used to. Not that I am saying I will be doing "mutra neti" soon. But deep down I still strongly believe that once I try it out next time it would be less extreme than the first time. Same as anything in life including basic yoga postures. To me "Himsa" is something where one is causing pain and suffering. "Mutra Neti" is extreme but surely does not seem to me as a "himsic" act.

I would say anything and everything good we as human can achieve comes with price and inconvenience. All of that is not a "himsa" act.




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Old 08-06-2009, 11:29 PM   #21
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I loved this posting- and yes, I laughed, but I was full of admiration at your resolve and thankful that I could have a vicarious experience of something I've never heard of > I love to be educated. Thank you-it was so graphic- I won't forget not to try it myself. I think the real benefit results in your will power magnified. Apply that resolve to something else and it will surely be yours. namaste
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Old 08-08-2009, 01:58 PM   #22
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Hi,

Yes I have done mutra neti many times without any feeling of guilt and disgust.
In fact I drink also drink urine so I don't find anything unusual in trying urine
for neti.

In fact I love yoga , pranayam and shudhhikriyas (vaman, Neti etc). I did Jal
Neti before. But I must say the experience of Mutra (Urine) Neti is surely
unique. From my experience I can recommend urine drops in place of nasal
drops if your nose is choked, I myself got relief of choked nose with few
drops of urine.

So about urine neti. Yes I did it and felt much better than just trying Jal
Neti. In fact I boldly say that urine is the natural choice for Neti. There
is a resaon for this.

For Neti , the yogic texts recommend lukewarm water with little bit of salk in it.
If the water is cold or very hot it will harm you. Also if you add more
salt then also your nose will be choked later. Many of you might have
experienced this. In fact, what the yogic texts are indirectly trying to say is
that because the liquid that we are going to use for Neti is going to enter
inside the nasal passage it must be felt 'local' by the body. Its taste and
temperature must be the same as our blood. That's why lukewarm and little
bit of salt is recommended. You see the point. And no matter how hard you
try you can never achieve optimal amount of salt and ideal temperature by
heating the water and adding salk in it manually. It always an approximation.
But if this is not matched properly sometimes people suffer (e.g. too much
salt or too hot water). I have experienced this myself when once I did
Jal Neti with little bit of extra salt. My nose was choked. And when it comes
to urine, urine has the perfect properties of blood in terms of taste and
temperature. In fact it is naturally local to the body since the body itself
produced it. By means of having the optimal amount of salt and temperature
it is the perfect choice for Neti.

In terms of feeling also I feel very nice with urine neti than jal neti.

I have done many other experiments with urine. But this is the thread
dedicated to Neti.

Hope this helps,

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Hi,

Yes I have done mutra neti many times without any feeling of guilt and disgust.
In fact I drink also drink urine so I don't find anything unusual in trying urine
for neti.

In fact I love yoga , pranayam and shudhhikriyas (vaman, Neti etc). I did Jal
Neti before. But I must say the experience of Mutra (Urine) Neti is surely
unique. From my experience I can recommend urine drops in place of nasal
drops if your nose is choked, I myself got relief of choked nose with few
drops of urine.

So about urine neti. Yes I did it and felt much better than just trying Jal
Neti. In fact I boldly say that urine is the natural choice for Neti. There
is a resaon for this.

For Neti , the yogic texts recommend lukewarm water with little bit of salk in it.
If the water is cold or very hot it will harm you. Also if you add more
salt then also your nose will be choked later. Many of you might have
experienced this. In fact, what the yogic texts are indirectly trying to say is
that because the liquid that we are going to use for Neti is going to enter
inside the nasal passage it must be felt 'local' by the body. Its taste and
temperature must be the same as our blood. That's why lukewarm and little
bit of salt is recommended. You see the point. And no matter how hard you
try you can never achieve optimal amount of salt and ideal temperature by
heating the water and adding salk in it manually. It always an approximation.
But if this is not matched properly sometimes people suffer (e.g. too much
salt or too hot water). I have experienced this myself when once I did
Jal Neti with little bit of extra salt. My nose was choked. And when it comes
to urine, urine has the perfect properties of blood in terms of taste and
temperature. In fact it is naturally local to the body since the body itself
produced it. By means of having the optimal amount of salt and temperature
it is the perfect choice for Neti.

In terms of feeling also I feel very nice with urine neti than jal neti.

I have done many other experiments with urine. But this is the thread
dedicated to Neti.

Hope this helps,

Thanks & Regards
Deepak

Hello Deepak

Thanks for your input on the thread. How often have you been practicing mutra-neti? Do you maintain some kind of special diet to make this more comforting? How was your first experience with it? What are your thoughts on cathing some kind of bacterial infection when doing this?



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My first experience was very normal. I was used to the
neti process. It's just that I did it with urine. I don't
have any disgust associated with urine.

I don't do it very often. Maybe once in a month. My nose doesnt get blocked lately due to pranayam etc. There is
no special diet tailored for Mutra Neti. Whatever diet is
part of my lifestyle is fine for this. I am purely vegetarian.
I don't ever consume beer or any form of alcohol. I don't
consume soft drinks. Tea and coffee very very rarely. I
never smoke.

Well it's not the case that I am following these guidelines etc. This is my lifestyle.

Apart from this I am just like any other normal person. I eat typical indian food.

So the food guidelines are. Be pure vegetarian and non drinker. Also it's better to avoid very spicy and junk food (I never eat such stuff). Biscuits very rarely and pizza never.

Actually if you cant follow it all then just follow 2 rules.
1. pure vegetarian food
2. no drinks
This is enough!

Then even if you eat junk food at times and spicy food also, your urine will still have medicinal value. It's just
that if you want to achieve the most out of it then it's
better to give up junk food as well.

And yes one very important thing is that you shouldnt
be taking any alopathic medicines (as it will come in
urine as well). Nutritional suppliments are fine. If you
manage the timing in such a way that urine won't have
the medicine content then it's fine.

Urine (Shivambu) is a great antibacterial. I have tried it
to heal wounds as well. A friend of mine had a severe
tooth pain. He used to take many painkillers but still
somehow he wouldnt get rid of it. On my suggession he
gargled his own urine for 15 mins and he was surprised
that his pain was gone. He felt much better.

Don't worry about it. I have done all sorts of experiments
with urine and it's great healer. You won't catch any
bacterial infection with this.

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Forgot to mention one more rule. Don't ever use the urine
after any kind of physical exertion. That will have toxic
substances that body throws out during the exertion.

The most preferred urine is the urine after a sound sleep. That is even better because during the sleep certain harmones are added in urine which are beneficial for health. The night time sleep is even better for this purpose as the body produces and adds melatonin in urine during the sleep in dark. That's why for drinking also fresh
morning urine is recommended. And it should be midstream urine.
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Forgot to mention one more rule. Don't ever use the urine
after any kind of physical exertion. That will have toxic
substances that body throws out during the exertion.

The most preferred urine is the urine after a sound sleep. That is even better because during the sleep certain harmones are added in urine which are beneficial for health. The night time sleep is even better for this purpose as the body produces and adds melatonin in urine during the sleep in dark. That's why for drinking also fresh
morning urine is recommended. And it should be midstream urine.
Thanks Deepak for this as well. As a matter of fact when I did urine neti, I did it after my yoga asana practice. So it is very much possible that all the exertion caused when doing the asanas might have added all the toxins in my urine to make it unpleasant experience.

My reasons for not using the urine first thing in the morning was that my nostrils are kinda blocked in the morning and they open only after some physical excercise. Any ideas how I can overcome this?
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Thanks Deepak for this as well. As a matter of fact when I did urine neti, I did it after my yoga asana practice. So it is very much possible that all the exertion caused when doing the asanas might have added all the toxins in my urine to make it unpleasant experience.

My reasons for not using the urine first thing in the morning was that my nostrils are kinda blocked in the morning and they open only after some physical excercise. Any ideas how I can overcome this?
I don't thnk exertion is a problem because in yoga we don't exert ourselves.
The problem would happen due to heavy exercise (not yoga) just as
push ups, sit ups, or running, walking for long time, or most typically
the gym excercise. Buy not with yoga because in yogic postures there
is no exertion. And also it is wrong to do yoga with lot of exertion. Yoga
should be a relaxing activity.

One advice regarding opening your nostrils. And it will work for sure.
It is mother of neti. . And no need to use urine for this. When
you get up in the morning drink lot of water (lukewarm... don't add
any salt in it if you intend to do it often). At least 5-6 glasses.
And when you reach the point when your stomach is full and you
can not drink any more then stop. Then go to bathroom and vomit
it out. It needs little practice in the beginning. It is called vaman.
Insert 2-3 middle fingers in your throat.. and trying to create
strong vomitting feeling. It will easily happen because stomach is
full with water. Then all the water will suddenly come out in a
surge. You may have to do it 2-3 times at least to vomit out
all the water. For the first vomitting 80% water will come out.

The water that comes out of body during vomitting process will
bring with it all the mucus along its path. At times some hard
mucus (it could have been there for years) also may come out
if you have never done vaman before. And also mucus in skull
(sinus etc) will also come out. If there is any acid in stomach
(due to acidity in the morning) that will also come out. You
will feel very light and relaxed. Also any acidity will instantly
go away.

Vaman is much more effctive than jal neti. But people usually
get scared of this. Also the texts prohibit vaman for high
blood pressure patients. So better stick to this advice.

No matter how choked your nose is, it is guaranteed to open
it fully with vaman in couple of minutes.

If you can not follow vaman then do kapalbhati. At least
one of your nostrils may be open. So somehow do kapalbhati.
do few cycles within your capacity. With this both the
nostrils with open up. It is also very effective method.

Vaman is like holy grail of nasal blockages. And it is the only
way to cleanse your internal passage.

Regards,
Deepak
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:39 AM   #28
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Wonderful Post deepak_nath:
I'm too into urine drinking, and have no problems drinking just about everything that I pass. I'm also doing sutra neti that I learned at Kaivalyadhama during one of my visits to Bombay, I'm sure you know where it is. I have recently been diagnosed as having Glaucoma and I'm sure sutra neti should bring more blood flow to my optic nerves. After reading your posts I'm going to start using urine for sutra neti, but I'm not a vegetarian.

All the best, keep in touch
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:03 PM   #29
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Hi Pancho,

Glad to see you getting so much interested in yog. This kind of spirit is
what is keeping Yog alive today. I have heard of Kaivalyadham here
in Mumbai but never visited.

If you intend to drink urine in the morning then make sure at least you
had pure vegetarian food for the dinner a day before. So that way
at least avoid nonveg food for dinner. Maybe you can eat that for
lunch still. This way you need not give up nonveg food and still get the
benefit of urine. It is not the perfect scenario but at least it will be
better.

Best of luck,
Deepak
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:06 PM   #30
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I have used Neti Pot, and have had great results with it. I suffer from PND (Post Nasal Drip), Which results in bad morning breath and is not very pleasant. Neti has relieved me from my symptoms. I can manage stage 3 neti, which requires you to intake water from mouth and bring it out from the nostril.
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