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Old 08-29-2011, 04:29 AM   #1
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Why does pranayama cause such weakness?

Hi, I recently got The Little Book of Yoga Breathing Pranayama Made Easy and in it there is one very simple exercise in which you exhale fully and then once the lungs are empty you inhale again fully. you keep doing this rather quicky as soon as the lungs are either full or empty move on to the next breath. This is done with the mouth open.

Well, within a minute I get very weak, it's like I'm starving. If you've ever been so hungry you feel so weak you can hardly move that's what it feels like and I begin to sweat a LOT. This all begins within a minute. I haven't had the willpower to go very far with it.

Although after it I do feel greatly benefited with more energy and clarity of though. But I have to eat and eat and eat if I do it on an even somewhat empty stomach.

does anyone know why this is? Does it happen to anyone else?

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Old 08-29-2011, 04:40 AM   #2
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Hello,

Bellows-like pranayamas are not for beginners. You should commence with a gentle nadi shodhana without bandhas, on an easy puraka-kumbaka-rechaka ratio.

Besides, there might be pranayamas not suit to your constitution. It is up to your experience or your master when you find him/her, to determine what pranamayamas are for you.

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Old 08-29-2011, 06:51 AM   #3
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Thank you, what else do you recommend to a pranayama beginner, those alternate nostril exorcises always closes by nasal passages with a minute preventing me from doing them.
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:02 AM   #4
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:28 AM   #5
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A Yoga Danda, a kind of sitting-posture crutch.
Put it below your right armpit and your left nostril will open up, and viceversa.

http://www.innereyeyoga.co.uk/danda_view.html
http://www.india-shopping.net/yoga/yoga-stick.html


It works wonders!
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Old 08-29-2011, 11:55 AM   #6
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Pranayama is incredibly misunderstood . often abused, and unsafe in the hands of the unknowing, undirected, unaligned.

Students begin a yoga practice with yama and niyama (classically). However the practice these days frequently begins with asana. Either way, asana can be utilized to open up and prepare the body for pranayama. There are two basic preparations. The first is to teach the student to align their bodies so that the energy of prana flows safely in the appropriate channels. The second is to provide opening in the pneumatic system of respiration. This latter component can often be realized through appropriate backbends, opening in the shoulder and hip flexors (and a proper diet to inhibit congestion).

Until the student has alignment is it often best to approach pranayama in the supine pranayama position using gentle pranayama. The ones that I feel are qualifiers (and therefore teach) are Ujjayi, Viloma I, and radiant breath. Beginning students do this following an appropriate asana practice for perhaps 4-5 minutes. As they continue to grow their practice that timing can be increased gradually. If they do not, it is not.

With the particular pranayama you mention is is incredibly common to mistake oxygen deprivation for enlightenment. Getting dizzy and seeing stars and lights is not likely to be Samadhi. However the breath is not without effect and for you it fatigues and accelerates metabolic function. Why? I would not venture to guess.
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Old 08-30-2011, 05:24 AM   #7
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for first time pranayama is a difficult task for everyone.You will feel weakness.It will be normal if you practice it regularly.It will be one of your best exercise.
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Old 08-30-2011, 05:45 AM   #8
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Pranayama is very misunderstood as previous poster Inner Athlete mentioned. I've been to seminars with well known Instructors (and won't name names) who have taught very advanced Yoga breathing techniques to complete beginners!, which are not recommended for beginners or can even be dangerous. You should no more teach advanced breathing to beginners than you should teach the most advanced Asanas to beginners.

When I studied with Paul Oldfield, renowned Yoga expert from UK , he advised me never to teach advanced breathing techniques to beginners - as it can be dangerous to people not used to them or conditioned to do them, even something as simple as they could pass out and hit head of something, etc. Paul Oldfield is a true master of Pranayama and his breath control all gained from Yoga has to be seen to be believed, here are few videos of him, watch them all if time; there is a reason you don't see anyone else doing what he is doing in the videos, they simply do not have the breath control he has! I've asked Paul to do a book or DVD specifically on Yoga, especially on breathing techniques; and he is considering it. I have personally witnessed him blow out a candle back turned to it from distance of just under 3ft, and that was indoors (no wind carrying it etc); I was so stunned I asked him to do it again and he did.

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpQQpIOCp_A
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0bcIWvE-3g
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCpPEnwQe3Q
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Old 08-31-2011, 04:34 AM   #9
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All of this information you have all given me has made me realise that pranayama is a much more complex subject then I thought it was, and something not to be taken lightly.

Can someone tell me a good book (or even a dvd) that will teach me to do and advance in pranayama responsibly?

I know I know, go to class and get a good teacher is what you going to say but I can't do that, I would freak out (intense social phobia).

Again thank you all for the advice.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:02 AM   #10
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Can someone tell me a good book (or even a dvd) that will teach me to do and advance in pranayama responsibly?
How about a website?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sob/index.htm
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:44 AM   #11
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pranayama
wrong with our practice may cause such weakness

thanks RK for The Science of Breath
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:17 AM   #12
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With the particular pranayama you mention is is incredibly common to mistake oxygen deprivation for enlightenment.
You mean the open mouth quick full breathing? How can one experience oxygen deprivation doing that? Wouldn't you be getting extra amounts of it?

And thanks ray_killeen for that book, very interesting indeed.
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Well, within a minute I get very weak, it's like I'm starving. If you've ever been so hungry you feel so weak you can hardly move that's what it feels like and I begin to sweat a LOT. This all begins within a minute. I haven't had the willpower to go very far with it.

Although after it I do feel greatly benefited with more energy and clarity of though. But I have to eat and eat and eat if I do it on an even somewhat empty stomach.

does anyone know why this is? Does it happen to anyone else?

Thanks
i do not like to think of pranyama as "beginner" and "advanced"...there is no such a gradation in yogic texts...

the body or the mind might has some mental or energy knots. when you are trying to move the prana with the powerful pranayamas....the results can be unpredictable, but not necessarily bad. maybe you have some other things (yama/niyama, asana, reading or self study ) to do before you can benefit from this pranayam.

the pranayama you described is a very good one...but you might want to postpone it for later and for now - rip the benefits of dirgha pranayam, nadi shodhan (you are welcome to do it mentally if you nose is blocked), ujayi breath (victorious breath ),....also breath in to the right lung, breath in to the left lung, lower chest , upper chest, etc..... be creative!

Breathing exercises are wonderful tool of hatha yoga! I hope you find the one to enjoy!
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Old 09-04-2011, 05:09 AM   #14
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Can someone please take a look at THE YOGI NERVE VITALIZING BREATH in the middle of this page please: http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sob/sob11.htm

I'm not sure at what stage you're supposed to breathe. Should the breath be held while pushing the hands back and forth and then exhaled after? Or inhaled as the arms come in and then exhale as the arms go out?
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Old 09-10-2011, 11:54 AM   #15
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I actually bought the same book a couple of years ago and to be honest, I didn't find that it provided accurate enough instructions on how to do the exercises, especially if it is your first introduction to them. I think that learning these in a proper yoga or pranayama class is most beneficial, as you can actually see how the exercises are done, and ask questions if you need to!

However, Light on Yoga by B.K.S. Iyengar is quite detailed; also I have found that some of the exercises are demonstrated very well on Youtube, believe it or not!
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Can someone please take a look at THE YOGI NERVE VITALIZING BREATH in the middle of this page please: http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sob/sob11.htm

I'm not sure at what stage you're supposed to breathe. Should the breath be held while pushing the hands back and forth and then exhaled after? Or inhaled as the arms come in and then exhale as the arms go out?
inhale....hold the breath....while holding pull and push few times like you pulling rubber resistance band.... exhale...

interesting site... i've done all this breaths abut 15 years ago for my asthma and pneumonia.... since never ever seen these techniques anywhere...
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