Astral trips anyone?

panoramix · 12-30-2008, 10:36 AM

Hello!

I was wondering if anyone here has experienced astral trips as the result of his/her yogic practice.

I'll be glad to hear about the experience and how to achieve it.

Thank you

Willem · 01-02-2009, 04:24 AM

No, I don't know how it's done. Wouldn't it be fun?

However, in sutra III-38, Patanjali warns us that special powers can be an obstacle to samadhi: << These gifts may feel like attainments, but they distract one from integration.>> The goal of yoga is to end suffering by seeing into the true nature of things, not to cultivate powers in the phenomenal world.

panoramix · 01-02-2009, 07:47 AM

Yes, of course.
But astral world might be a wonderful mean for contacting masters and higher beings could help you in your spiritual development.
Don't you think?

Techne · 01-02-2009, 11:17 AM

I'd really be cautious about that. You never know who you'll meet going on a trip, and not everyone has your best in mind. This is true in our world, and my tradition says its true of non-physical beings as well.

Pandara · 01-02-2009, 11:29 AM

The masters and high spiritual beings usually are not to be found in the astral planes (or very rarely), it is mostly lower astral beings who dwell there and they are not entities you would like to engage casually. Rather heed the good advice of Willem.

panoramix · 01-03-2009, 07:29 AM

Ok, but i'd like to see it, at least once.

Hubert · 01-03-2009, 02:58 PM

I learnt that any curiosity regarding suprasensorial experiences will make sure they will not happen. Which reminds me another poster ... so I'll go and tell him this, too.

batsugun · 01-03-2009, 06:16 PM

If you really want to see other planes of existance, you could try learning and practicing lucid dreaming. Altought, its a practice that takes years to master... I've practiced the basics with results in only a month.

Most people get results in one to three months.

Google the subject. Also, you can get the book ''The Art of Dreaming'' by Carlos Castaneda, wich is a good reference for starters.

panoramix · 01-04-2009, 07:59 AM

Hubert:

It was an intense curiosity which led me to have my first and unique few conscious astral projections 16 years ago (i was only 18 ). I traveled through my house and balcony.

batsugun:

Thanks for the info.

An interesting link:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.a...ms=astral,trip

yogflame · 02-10-2009, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panoramix

Yes, of course.
But astral world might be a wonderful mean for contacting masters and higher beings could help you in your spiritual development.
Don't you think?

Hari om

They say that astral projection is an obstacle for self realisation, as the desire is far more dangerous than the desires of our world and to get self realisation you must not fall for desires. they also say that they have dancing ladys trying to seduce you etc.. and your spirituality can be depleted if you get seduced and stay there.
This is not my own experience but the famous swami sivananda.

I recommend you to read "sadhana" by swami sivananda there you get much information regarding many things. Ive got many answers on questions that i had in my mind. Hari om.

MichaelJ · 02-11-2009, 11:49 AM

Panoramix,

On a related note, I was reading a book on Astral P a few years back while I was away on an extended business trip. Before going to sleep, I went through the guided imagery suggested in the book with the intension of visiting my wife back home. I ended up just drifting off to sleep with no sensation of anything extrodinary.

My wife called me the next day and told me of an odd sensation that I was sleeping next to her last night.

I couldn't say what really happened but it was kind of cool!

panoramix · 02-21-2009, 04:21 AM

They have dancing ladies? Are they beautiful?
What music do they dance? trance, hip hop, house?

(kidding...)

panoramix · 02-21-2009, 04:23 AM

Thanks for sharing Michael.

oak333 · 02-21-2009, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Techne

I'd really be cautious about that. You never know who you'll meet going on a trip, and not everyone has your best in mind. This is true in our world, and my tradition says its true of non-physical beings as well.

Yoga Sutras 19 Patanjali

When such concentration is not accopanied by non-attachment, and ignorance therefore remains, the aspirant will reach the state of the disincarnate gods or become merged in the forces of nature.

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...But if we really want power and pleasure we can get them (instead of liberation) not only in this world and in this human form , but in other worlds and other forms hereafter.

Concentration upon any of the gross elements or the sense-organs is said to bring us to the condition of disincarnate gods...

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So, I think Techne is quite right. You might "there" ghosts, occultists who
wanted power, etc. Not exactly reputed for kindness.

eek909 · 02-24-2009, 10:08 AM

I've experienced "sleep paralysis" for years. You can google it, but basically it's a mental state where you're between sleep and awake. Mentally, you feel awake and alert, but your body is physically asleep. The mind has no control over the body. It truly does feel like a full body paralysis.

Often when the sleep paralysis hits, I experience auditory hallucinations (and sometimes physical-touch hallucinations). Several years ago, I was in a sleep paralysis period and I could hear my baby crying in the other room. I struggled to move, kind of panicked about the baby crying and my not being able to check on him due to the sleep paralysis. Finally, I "broke through" the sleep paralysis, got up, checked on the baby, and he was sound asleep (the crying was an auditory hallucination due to the sleep paralysis). I went back to my bedroom and when I got there, I was shocked to see myself laying on the bed already! Before I knew it, "I" was kind of sucked back in to the physical body on the bed.

When I told this story, everyone thought I was just dreaming, or dealing with some sort of nutty sleep deprivation. Once I really started to explore yoga, I realized that this was probably some sort of astral projection experience.

So not really related to yoga (I wasn't practicing at the time, but started very soon after---I think some sort of awakening was created by the experience) but I thought I'd share.

panoramix · 02-24-2009, 02:10 PM

oak333:

Do we practice such severe asceticism in the physical plane? So, why doing it in the astral one?
I'm not afraid of necromancers neither ghosts... I think those we should fear above all are in the physical plane mostly (many of them wear a tie).
What's a disincarnate god?

eek909:

The same thing happened to me lots of years ago, it was 1pm and i was still in bed, i was awake but could not move my body... I heard the steps of my mom walking on the corridor and feared she would berate me, i wanted to get up but i wasn't able.... suddenly, i remembered the book about astral projections i was reading and voila! i got out my body and found myself floating in the middle of my bedroom. It was an astral projection but there was some degree of unconsciousness, a kind of darkness in my mind...

oak333 · 02-24-2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panoramix

oak333:

Do we practice such severe asceticism in the physical plane? So, why doing it in the astral one?
I'm not afraid of necromancers neither ghosts... I think those we should fear above all are in the physical plane mostly (many of them wear a tie).
What's a disincarnate god ?

Well, there are two sins which God never forgives: 1) to take his name in vain
2) whichcraft

Necromancers, occultists etc are actually practising whichcraft. Are they really aware of the sin committed ?

The Inquisition burned at stake the necromancers. Not that Inquisition was exactly reputed for kindness.

E. g. it is said that people who commit suicide are actually becoming ghosts or
something like that.

What is a disincarnate God ? I am not sure. Maybe you can ask a qualified spiritual yoga teacher to explain to us in detail Yoga Sutra Nr. 19 of Patanjali.

Pandara · 02-24-2009, 10:55 PM

To the original poster: Swami Sivananda wrote and excellent book called: What becomes of the soul after death. In it he explains exactly why as yogis we shouldn't try to make contact with the disincarnated souls on the astral plains.

As a yogi we need to understand that the spiritual world of disincarnated souls are just as illusionary as the material world and that it holds no Truth.

My last advice to those who seek to contact disincarnated souls: strange things happens when large forces stir in small vessels.

panoramix · 02-25-2009, 03:23 PM

oak333:

In my opinion inquisition was mostly a prosecution against drug consumers, as nowadays is police. Those "necromancers" were just "ravers" who took mandrake, nightshade... and celebrated parties around a fire... they enjoyed intense hallucinations which were taken verbatim by others, and that was their perdition.
Prosecution of drugs is nowadays' inquisition.

Do you really think God is someone apart watching everything and punishing or rewarding? Personally i don't believe in sin but in the effects of the laws of karma.

Pandara:

I have read that book, there are some too mythological excerpts, it's too "indianized" in my opinion. I incline towards what Buddhism says, that one faces his karma and the projections of his own mind after death.
I don't see myself facing Yama, but St. Peter because i'm western and have a "christian" collective unconscious (see psychology of C.G. Jung).

I think astral trips might be very useful in one's life, whether for mundane affairs or for spirituals. It's like everything in life, it depends on the context.

Sivananda was too extremist sometimes. I don't deny he was a saintly man but remember what aversion he had against sex... that's not good.

oak333 · 02-25-2009, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panoramix

oak333:

In my opinion inquisition was mostly a prosecution against drug consumers, as nowadays is police. Those "necromancers" were just "ravers" who took mandrake, nightshade... and celebrated parties around a fire... they enjoyed intense hallucinations which were taken verbatim by others, and that was their perdition.
Prosecution of drugs is nowadays' inquisition.

Do you really think God is someone apart watching everything and punishing or rewarding? Personally i don't believe in sin but in the effects of the laws of karma.
.

I will rather take Pandara's advice (from Sivananda) anytime.

Pandara · 02-25-2009, 10:40 PM

Panoramix, I hear what you say about the trips, then go for it, do it, immerse yourself in it, invite it, don't go half meassure, meet all whom you can and whom you want on the astral plains.

About Swami Sivananda: he was a renunciate, his aversion to sex was the natural outflow of his vows that he took. But that is a subject for another post.

oak333 · 02-26-2009, 08:02 PM

Science and Spirit
-----------------

I just have come upon an interesting SCIENTIFIC paper:

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/20514.asp

"A parallel universe, in which we coexist wit our immortal
souls."

Note: I will be away from Canada for one week,
starting tomorrow.

core789 · 02-26-2009, 11:31 PM

I'm not up on Sivananda but i'd imagine him being an adept at kundalini and tantra yoga , and therefore i cannot imagine him being averse to sex if we mean by that a tool used for purifiication and therfore also as a means to reaching a higher state,and not something animalistic and based on lustful desire..That's to say he was probably in control( or as in control as you could be having reached a certain level dedication with certain yoga, like kriyas and kundalini perhaps) o of his drives and all that, not the other way around.

I believe they call it technically speaking transmutation of sexual energy and there are techniques you can do to do that within tantra yoga, i've found that really do tame you and your sexual desire and energy converting itnto something else- a higher energy basically.Yeah they call it ojas, that's right.

I found that you can experience whole body orgasms ( not just confined to the genitals) throughout the whole day if you abstain from normal practices, coupled with a hatha practice and employing certain practices invovling stimulation and purification. this maybe too much personal detail, however. this is one powerful enrggy force you are dealing eith, the biggest... desire of all.

Howver you are probably better finding this discovery out for yourself, as a man. One needs an experience to be convinced about something usually although there may well be precuations like in anything yoga .

I dug this up when i googled sivananda's personal life.

http://sacred-sex.org/hinduism/sivananda-sex-desire

I reckon sivananda did the vows cos it gave the a sense of ritual to his commitment to abstain from worldly lustful relations that would impede hiis energy and level of attainment in yoga. It was liable to detract from all his efoorts and disicipline, and would be simpler to not have relationship with women based on base desires, those hardwired by evolution..

You might struggle with these techniques if your body is not prepared through hatha yoga and you lack the discipline but should'nt be too difficult if youare are recpetive to the effects and practice, of course.

like anything in yoga, i'm sure there may well be precautions with this like in anything yoga-practice wise. i don't like contributing to these sex/yoga threads as i get the impression some folk misunderstand the true power and uitlity and point of these related practices that actually harness or 'transmute' your sexual desire or energy.desire dissapears-you are in control and your prana/ojas or whatever increases fuuurther..... these discoveries are just based on my own experiences and experiementations perhaps. i am no expert.For that you could go to a temple in india that worships the lingum- i believe there is such a place.An di reckon the devout ones there maybe pure renunciates. As they are so pure in mind and body they cannot be tainted, let's say ,perhaps.

kareng · 11-12-2009, 12:36 PM

When the third eye is open you will see many things..and it is extremely important that no thoughts are carried into the stream of meditation, initially. When something is seen or encountered, you will know instantly if it is something beneficial or something that you must dispel.

I was reading a book on Remote Viewing. I was wondering if the techniques used are close to third eye practice.

The book was technical in its descriptions. There were basic similarities here and there. But the thing that was the most interesting was when the author mentioned that when it was used for spying, and remote attacks were used, all the participants had lost their souls. ??
This was a very odd comment in what is a technical book.
Then there are Gnostic accounts of King Solomon...
Think of all versions of demons, evil spirits strange permutations..that mankind has documented since ? and any one or more of these, you might encounter.

So, I truly believe that one shouldn't have any desire, plan, notion, intention, in any state that has even similar steps in meditation. And guard against unfavorable accidental thoughts in accidental meditative states that occur in many many ways, frequently.

On the mention of dancing girls in meditation..This is a third eye presentation due to having sexual thoughts whilst on the borders of an accidental meditative state, eg daydreaming about it or of course, at the commencement of an intended meditation.
It needn't be actually about sexual acts. They also pop up if you are thinking of flattery you might have received from the opposite sex. They are there to tempt you further. So you must not be moved by the scene you see..look past it. And yes they are beautiful and make a special focus on your eyes to get you focussed in on their charm.
But they also indicate a weakness you have not mastered yet.

kareng · 11-13-2009, 10:31 AM

Bhangra I bet.. How do I put one of those smiley's on here

kareng · 11-18-2009, 05:19 PM

Panoramx....
I think that there are different floors in astral projection....The 1st is close to your environment, in your room or roaming in your house. This is often by accident. The second is further outside your surroundings and will have required some thought as to where you are going, end up

On other floors you have to know that whatever your weaknesses are will cause attraction to a being that has these weaknesses, perhaps far worse in level of how bad.
They can latch onto you for a moment, a day, week, year or more. They/it will stay with you unless you recognize that you have been latched onto. You then have to show powerful willpower to resist whatever is happening regarding your weakness, then, it will lose interest in you.

Whatever your weaknesses are, one of them will be amplified. E.g. If you have a weakness for sugar in tea..you may find that you will be eating raw sugar or placing much more sugar in your tea. It sounds like a small silly thing but longer term and in larger amounts, it can do a lot of damage to the body yes....or if you have a tendency towards jealousy, you will become perhaps much more irrationally jealous...you get my drift...

A person who has developed a bright mind will not be bothered by them. How bright ones mind is, is difficult to determine.

Of course their are ways to protect yourself mentioned in texts.
But they are not guaranteed, much depends on you.

If one of these roaming beings manages to physically materialise, it will aim to enter any orifice. This is as a result of taking less than favorable thoughts into the stream of meditation. It can be dealt with using extreme willpower to reject it.there are probably other ways as well.

I remember reading how a master using the third eye, saw his deceased mother in one of the Buddhist hells (not a nice sight I expect) He came out of it and shared this with his peers. They set about freeing her using techniques known to them.
A disturbing situation for an inexperienced person.

However, I have managed well in the third eye area...this is the viewing platform.
I know that if you take no thoughts, anger, irritation or distractions, unfavorable aims into the stream initially, then you will be okay. When you are traveling and arrive at a scene..keep your thoughts logical and simple....dont allow fear to get a grip...remain cool ...pay little or no attention to whatever you are presented with that seems negative or is negative. If you meet anyone spiritual, you will know this and wont dismiss them.

Happy journeys Panoramix be safe...Kareng

I think that if you have aims...you will not be open to the spiritual beings that will want to meet you and help you...

Neros · 12-08-2009, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oak333

Well, there are two sins which God never forgives: 1) to take his name in vain
2) whichcraft

Necromancers, occultists etc are actually practising whichcraft. Are they really aware of the sin committed ?

The Inquisition burned at stake the necromancers. Not that Inquisition was exactly reputed for kindness.

E. g. it is said that people who commit suicide are actually becoming ghosts or
something like that.

What is a disincarnate God ? I am not sure. Maybe you can ask a qualified spiritual yoga teacher to explain to us in detail Yoga Sutra Nr. 19 of Patanjali.

Necromancy - eg the art of speaking to spirits, can be a beautiful thing, speaking to ones lost loved ones, or ones whom you did not know while they were alive, and even helping them move on to their next incarnation if they have somehow trapped themselves after death (such as your example of the what happens when someone suicides.) on the astral is not a "sin." Nothing is inherently good or evil, its what you DO with your life, and the choices you make with the skills and talents and gifts.

Witchcraft* focuses on having a very strong connection with nature, as does paganism in general. Many witches whom I have met DO believe AND pray to God daily, and are more devout and holy than many Christians I know.

Sorcery* which is banned in the bible is the art of doing any kind of harm with your magick, there are many instances in the bible of the various prophets and such using magick such as the instances of healing and the like.
Magick is wisdom, there is no wisdom in sorcery.

People are so blinded by the controlling and manipulative popular dogma that for some moments its saddens me.

A disincarnated god, is pretty much a direct emanation or personality of The All(God) In the Kabbalahs Tree of Life each Sephiroth(sphere/emanation) of the body of God represents a various aspect of the universe, a Deity/God can be seen as a being who has become One with God/ with one or more of these aspects or high planar spheres of the Body of God and has their will aligned with Gods will to the most perfect degree that their will IS Gods will much like becoming a Brahman in yoga.. "Godhood" can be seen as just another evolutionary step towards becoming one with infinity.

And by the way the spiritual side yoga can be said to be magick due to its astral/energetic nature. Yoga is occultism and is NOT inherently evil as "Occult" literally translates to "Secret" and Occultist means "keeper of secrets."

Believe what I say or not Oak333, I truly do not care. I just felt compelled by my true will to attempt to enlighten. *shrugs and goes back to his cave*

anjali · 12-08-2009, 06:41 PM

Try meditation.

kareng · 12-09-2009, 11:39 AM

Oak 333 and anyone interested...

When people in the Bible express visions they have seen,,,,,e.g. and the Angel of the Lord came down?......Do you think an Angel materialized in front of them?....Or, did they dream it?......Or,was it a Third Eye manifestation via meditation, Or was it just said for effect and is a fanciful made up statement?

Kind Regards Kareng

baes573 · 01-07-2010, 09:54 PM

sounds like everyone here hates tripping.
the psychedelic experience can teach you a lot. it is possible to have visions thru meditation, stretching, listening to good music, etc...... your brain has built in receptors for LSD, DMT, marijuana, opium, ecstacy. you could try one of those too.

read "be here now, remember"- by author: baba ram dass.......... the guys basically an acid head that finds enlightenment thru yoga........ fun stuff.
just dont get so attached to the trip that it takes away from your regular life.

also theres a number of plants out there you can grow to get high. i suggest looking on richters herb and seed catalog, and erowid. you can google them.
peace.

01-02-2009, 04:24 AM	#2
Willem trishatá Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 327	No, I don't know how it's done. Wouldn't it be fun? However, in sutra III-38, Patanjali warns us that special powers can be an obstacle to samadhi: << These gifts may feel like attainments, but they distract one from integration.>> The goal of yoga is to end suffering by seeing into the true nature of things, not to cultivate powers in the phenomenal world. Last edited by Willem; 01-02-2009 at 04:31 AM.

01-02-2009, 11:17 AM	#4
Techne saptashata Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Salem Oregon Posts: 784	I'd really be cautious about that. You never know who you'll meet going on a trip, and not everyone has your best in mind. This is true in our world, and my tradition says its true of non-physical beings as well. __________________ Maranatha

01-02-2009, 11:29 AM	#5
Pandara Evolving Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pretoria, South Africa Posts: 1,275	The masters and high spiritual beings usually are not to be found in the astral planes (or very rarely), it is mostly lower astral beings who dwell there and they are not entities you would like to engage casually. Rather heed the good advice of Willem. __________________ Blessings & Om's Pandara _____________________________________________ [URL]http://www.oneyogalife.wordpress.com[/URL] Live everyday as if it is a miracle - Einstein

01-03-2009, 02:58 PM	#7
Hubert sahásra Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Romania Posts: 1,240	I learnt that any curiosity regarding suprasensorial experiences will make sure they will not happen. Which reminds me another poster ... so I'll go and tell him this, too. __________________ "wahetever we deny or embrace, for worse or for better, we belong togheter" Pat Benatar

02-24-2009, 10:55 PM	#18
Pandara Evolving Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pretoria, South Africa Posts: 1,275	To the original poster: Swami Sivananda wrote and excellent book called: What becomes of the soul after death. In it he explains exactly why as yogis we shouldn't try to make contact with the disincarnated souls on the astral plains. As a yogi we need to understand that the spiritual world of disincarnated souls are just as illusionary as the material world and that it holds no Truth. My last advice to those who seek to contact disincarnated souls: strange things happens when large forces stir in small vessels. __________________ Blessings & Om's Pandara _____________________________________________ [URL]http://www.oneyogalife.wordpress.com[/URL] Live everyday as if it is a miracle - Einstein

12-30-2008, 10:36 AM	#1
panoramix navatí Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 98	Hello! I was wondering if anyone here has experienced astral trips as the result of his/her yogic practice. I'll be glad to hear about the experience and how to achieve it. Thank you

01-02-2009, 07:47 AM	#3
panoramix navatí Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 98	Yes, of course. But astral world might be a wonderful mean for contacting masters and higher beings could help you in your spiritual development. Don't you think?

01-03-2009, 07:29 AM	#6
panoramix navatí Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 98	Ok, but i'd like to see it, at least once.

01-03-2009, 06:16 PM	#8
batsugun trimshát Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 32	If you really want to see other planes of existance, you could try learning and practicing lucid dreaming. Altought, its a practice that takes years to master... I've practiced the basics with results in only a month. Most people get results in one to three months. Google the subject. Also, you can get the book ''The Art of Dreaming'' by Carlos Castaneda, wich is a good reference for starters.

01-04-2009, 07:59 AM	#9
panoramix navatí Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 98	Hubert: It was an intense curiosity which led me to have my first and unique few conscious astral projections 16 years ago (i was only 18 ). I traveled through my house and balcony. batsugun: Thanks for the info. An interesting link: http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.a...ms=astral,trip

02-11-2009, 11:49 AM	#11
MichaelJ vimshatí Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 25	Panoramix, On a related note, I was reading a book on Astral P a few years back while I was away on an extended business trip. Before going to sleep, I went through the guided imagery suggested in the book with the intension of visiting my wife back home. I ended up just drifting off to sleep with no sensation of anything extrodinary. My wife called me the next day and told me of an odd sensation that I was sleeping next to her last night. I couldn't say what really happened but it was kind of cool!

02-21-2009, 04:21 AM	#12
panoramix navatí Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 98	They have dancing ladies? Are they beautiful? What music do they dance? trance, hip hop, house? (kidding...)

02-21-2009, 04:23 AM	#13
panoramix navatí Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 98	Thanks for sharing Michael.

02-24-2009, 10:08 AM	#15
eek909 éka Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1	I've experienced "sleep paralysis" for years. You can google it, but basically it's a mental state where you're between sleep and awake. Mentally, you feel awake and alert, but your body is physically asleep. The mind has no control over the body. It truly does feel like a full body paralysis. Often when the sleep paralysis hits, I experience auditory hallucinations (and sometimes physical-touch hallucinations). Several years ago, I was in a sleep paralysis period and I could hear my baby crying in the other room. I struggled to move, kind of panicked about the baby crying and my not being able to check on him due to the sleep paralysis. Finally, I "broke through" the sleep paralysis, got up, checked on the baby, and he was sound asleep (the crying was an auditory hallucination due to the sleep paralysis). I went back to my bedroom and when I got there, I was shocked to see myself laying on the bed already! Before I knew it, "I" was kind of sucked back in to the physical body on the bed. When I told this story, everyone thought I was just dreaming, or dealing with some sort of nutty sleep deprivation. Once I really started to explore yoga, I realized that this was probably some sort of astral projection experience. So not really related to yoga (I wasn't practicing at the time, but started very soon after---I think some sort of awakening was created by the experience) but I thought I'd share.

02-24-2009, 02:10 PM	#16
panoramix navatí Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 98	oak333: Do we practice such severe asceticism in the physical plane? So, why doing it in the astral one? I'm not afraid of necromancers neither ghosts... I think those we should fear above all are in the physical plane mostly (many of them wear a tie). What's a disincarnate god? eek909: The same thing happened to me lots of years ago, it was 1pm and i was still in bed, i was awake but could not move my body... I heard the steps of my mom walking on the corridor and feared she would berate me, i wanted to get up but i wasn't able.... suddenly, i remembered the book about astral projections i was reading and voila! i got out my body and found myself floating in the middle of my bedroom. It was an astral projection but there was some degree of unconsciousness, a kind of darkness in my mind...

02-25-2009, 03:23 PM	#19
panoramix navatí Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 98	oak333: In my opinion inquisition was mostly a prosecution against drug consumers, as nowadays is police. Those "necromancers" were just "ravers" who took mandrake, nightshade... and celebrated parties around a fire... they enjoyed intense hallucinations which were taken verbatim by others, and that was their perdition. Prosecution of drugs is nowadays' inquisition. Do you really think God is someone apart watching everything and punishing or rewarding? Personally i don't believe in sin but in the effects of the laws of karma. Pandara: I have read that book, there are some too mythological excerpts, it's too "indianized" in my opinion. I incline towards what Buddhism says, that one faces his karma and the projections of his own mind after death. I don't see myself facing Yama, but St. Peter because i'm western and have a "christian" collective unconscious (see psychology of C.G. Jung). I think astral trips might be very useful in one's life, whether for mundane affairs or for spirituals. It's like everything in life, it depends on the context. Sivananda was too extremist sometimes. I don't deny he was a saintly man but remember what aversion he had against sex... that's not good.

02-25-2009, 10:40 PM	#21
Pandara Evolving Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pretoria, South Africa Posts: 1,275	Panoramix, I hear what you say about the trips, then go for it, do it, immerse yourself in it, invite it, don't go half meassure, meet all whom you can and whom you want on the astral plains. About Swami Sivananda: he was a renunciate, his aversion to sex was the natural outflow of his vows that he took. But that is a subject for another post. __________________ Blessings & Om's Pandara _____________________________________________ [URL]http://www.oneyogalife.wordpress.com[/URL] Live everyday as if it is a miracle - Einstein

02-26-2009, 08:02 PM	#22
oak333 cátuhshata Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 436	Science and Spirit ----------------- I just have come upon an interesting SCIENTIFIC paper: http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/20514.asp "A parallel universe, in which we coexist wit our immortal souls." Note: I will be away from Canada for one week, starting tomorrow.

02-26-2009, 11:31 PM	#23
core789 pañcashata Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 512	I'm not up on Sivananda but i'd imagine him being an adept at kundalini and tantra yoga , and therefore i cannot imagine him being averse to sex if we mean by that a tool used for purifiication and therfore also as a means to reaching a higher state,and not something animalistic and based on lustful desire..That's to say he was probably in control( or as in control as you could be having reached a certain level dedication with certain yoga, like kriyas and kundalini perhaps) o of his drives and all that, not the other way around. I believe they call it technically speaking transmutation of sexual energy and there are techniques you can do to do that within tantra yoga, i've found that really do tame you and your sexual desire and energy converting itnto something else- a higher energy basically.Yeah they call it ojas, that's right. I found that you can experience whole body orgasms ( not just confined to the genitals) throughout the whole day if you abstain from normal practices, coupled with a hatha practice and employing certain practices invovling stimulation and purification. this maybe too much personal detail, however. this is one powerful enrggy force you are dealing eith, the biggest... desire of all. Howver you are probably better finding this discovery out for yourself, as a man. One needs an experience to be convinced about something usually although there may well be precuations like in anything yoga . I dug this up when i googled sivananda's personal life. http://sacred-sex.org/hinduism/sivananda-sex-desire I reckon sivananda did the vows cos it gave the a sense of ritual to his commitment to abstain from worldly lustful relations that would impede hiis energy and level of attainment in yoga. It was liable to detract from all his efoorts and disicipline, and would be simpler to not have relationship with women based on base desires, those hardwired by evolution.. You might struggle with these techniques if your body is not prepared through hatha yoga and you lack the discipline but should'nt be too difficult if youare are recpetive to the effects and practice, of course. like anything in yoga, i'm sure there may well be precautions with this like in anything yoga-practice wise. i don't like contributing to these sex/yoga threads as i get the impression some folk misunderstand the true power and uitlity and point of these related practices that actually harness or 'transmute' your sexual desire or energy.desire dissapears-you are in control and your prana/ojas or whatever increases fuuurther..... these discoveries are just based on my own experiences and experiementations perhaps. i am no expert.For that you could go to a temple in india that worships the lingum- i believe there is such a place.An di reckon the devout ones there maybe pure renunciates. As they are so pure in mind and body they cannot be tainted, let's say ,perhaps.

11-12-2009, 12:36 PM	#24
kareng sastí Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: sheffield England Posts: 66	When the third eye is open you will see many things..and it is extremely important that no thoughts are carried into the stream of meditation, initially. When something is seen or encountered, you will know instantly if it is something beneficial or something that you must dispel. I was reading a book on Remote Viewing. I was wondering if the techniques used are close to third eye practice. The book was technical in its descriptions. There were basic similarities here and there. But the thing that was the most interesting was when the author mentioned that when it was used for spying, and remote attacks were used, all the participants had lost their souls. ?? This was a very odd comment in what is a technical book. Then there are Gnostic accounts of King Solomon... Think of all versions of demons, evil spirits strange permutations..that mankind has documented since ? and any one or more of these, you might encounter. So, I truly believe that one shouldn't have any desire, plan, notion, intention, in any state that has even similar steps in meditation. And guard against unfavorable accidental thoughts in accidental meditative states that occur in many many ways, frequently. On the mention of dancing girls in meditation..This is a third eye presentation due to having sexual thoughts whilst on the borders of an accidental meditative state, eg daydreaming about it or of course, at the commencement of an intended meditation. It needn't be actually about sexual acts. They also pop up if you are thinking of flattery you might have received from the opposite sex. They are there to tempt you further. So you must not be moved by the scene you see..look past it. And yes they are beautiful and make a special focus on your eyes to get you focussed in on their charm. But they also indicate a weakness you have not mastered yet.

11-13-2009, 10:31 AM	#25
kareng sastí Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: sheffield England Posts: 66	Bhangra I bet.. How do I put one of those smiley's on here

11-18-2009, 05:19 PM	#26
kareng sastí Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: sheffield England Posts: 66	Panoramx.... I think that there are different floors in astral projection....The 1st is close to your environment, in your room or roaming in your house. This is often by accident. The second is further outside your surroundings and will have required some thought as to where you are going, end up On other floors you have to know that whatever your weaknesses are will cause attraction to a being that has these weaknesses, perhaps far worse in level of how bad. They can latch onto you for a moment, a day, week, year or more. They/it will stay with you unless you recognize that you have been latched onto. You then have to show powerful willpower to resist whatever is happening regarding your weakness, then, it will lose interest in you. Whatever your weaknesses are, one of them will be amplified. E.g. If you have a weakness for sugar in tea..you may find that you will be eating raw sugar or placing much more sugar in your tea. It sounds like a small silly thing but longer term and in larger amounts, it can do a lot of damage to the body yes....or if you have a tendency towards jealousy, you will become perhaps much more irrationally jealous...you get my drift... A person who has developed a bright mind will not be bothered by them. How bright ones mind is, is difficult to determine. Of course their are ways to protect yourself mentioned in texts. But they are not guaranteed, much depends on you. If one of these roaming beings manages to physically materialise, it will aim to enter any orifice. This is as a result of taking less than favorable thoughts into the stream of meditation. It can be dealt with using extreme willpower to reject it.there are probably other ways as well. I remember reading how a master using the third eye, saw his deceased mother in one of the Buddhist hells (not a nice sight I expect) He came out of it and shared this with his peers. They set about freeing her using techniques known to them. A disturbing situation for an inexperienced person. However, I have managed well in the third eye area...this is the viewing platform. I know that if you take no thoughts, anger, irritation or distractions, unfavorable aims into the stream initially, then you will be okay. When you are traveling and arrive at a scene..keep your thoughts logical and simple....dont allow fear to get a grip...remain cool ...pay little or no attention to whatever you are presented with that seems negative or is negative. If you meet anyone spiritual, you will know this and wont dismiss them. Happy journeys Panoramix be safe...Kareng I think that if you have aims...you will not be open to the spiritual beings that will want to meet you and help you...

12-08-2009, 06:41 PM	#28
anjali vimshatí Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 22	Try meditation.

12-09-2009, 11:39 AM	#29
kareng sastí Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: sheffield England Posts: 66	Oak 333 and anyone interested... When people in the Bible express visions they have seen,,,,,e.g. and the Angel of the Lord came down?......Do you think an Angel materialized in front of them?....Or, did they dream it?......Or,was it a Third Eye manifestation via meditation, Or was it just said for effect and is a fanciful made up statement? Kind Regards Kareng

01-07-2010, 09:54 PM	#30
baes573 catúr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 1. Posts: 4	sounds like everyone here hates tripping. the psychedelic experience can teach you a lot. it is possible to have visions thru meditation, stretching, listening to good music, etc...... your brain has built in receptors for LSD, DMT, marijuana, opium, ecstacy. you could try one of those too. read "be here now, remember"- by author: baba ram dass.......... the guys basically an acid head that finds enlightenment thru yoga........ fun stuff. just dont get so attached to the trip that it takes away from your regular life. also theres a number of plants out there you can grow to get high. i suggest looking on richters herb and seed catalog, and erowid. you can google them. peace.